The science behind visual effects: VFX shockwave patterns can accurately mimic real-world explosions. Recent video analysis based on Taylor-Sedov blastwave theories debunks the infamous ‘VFX debunk’
The science behind visual effects: VFX shockwave patterns can accurately mimic real-world explosions. Recent video analysis based on Taylor-Sedov blastwave theories debunks the infamous ‘VFX debunk’
Recently posted on twitter by Level39: [https://twitter.com/level39/status/1728766051389964746](https://twitter.com/level39/status/1728766051389964746) shows how shockwave patterns can in fact match real world explosion patterns. This is a crucial evidence debunking the infamous ‘stock VFX footage’ by many people.
Just a quick heads up that Pyromania was created recording real work explosion patterns, so the VFX file itself is already a recording of a real world explosion event. Anyone stating the VFX file itself is “CGI” is incorrect. Recording real world things was VCE’s thing. [It’s why they got to do Star Wars and contract directly with the DoD and DoE. It’s all on their website.](https://vcefilms.com/)
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None of the provided examples that are supposedly serving as a counter argument against the VFX debunk are matching as closely as the 1990 VFX effect. Look for yourself and at the examples from the video again and tell me otherwise: https://i.redd.it/6nrooe3i89jb1.gif All the video does is explaining that similar patterns are occurring during explosions in general. Which was also considered in the initial VFX debunk. But it just matches too closely to be a coincidence. Also what about the duplicated frames debunk from last week? Have you forgotten about that already? Edit: based on the sudden downvotes it seems like the folks from the airliner abduction sub have arrived
Death-by-Fugu on
At least the new upsurge in people believing anything that they find on the web lets me know who to block
tickerout on
I’m not seeing it. Can you point out the timestamp in this video that shows an explosion that matches the VFX in the same way the MH370 explosion matches the VFX?
MKULTRA_Escapee on
Looks like a fairly conclusive debunk of the “90’s VFX effect” argument. Like I’ve been saying all along, I can easily buy that the videos are fake because it would be far too insane for something like that to both actually happen *and get leaked,* so I agree it’s almost certainly fake, but the “VFX effect coincidence” argument was extremely weak. Nobody demonstrated that you were unlikely to locate such a coincidence by chance, and now somebody has put in the work and demonstrated that you do indeed expect to find such a coincidence by chance anyway, so the “VFX effect” debunk is completely worthless. We need a much better debunk, not a coincidence argument.
This is the main reason why a lot of UFO debunking has such a bad reputation and they aren’t taken seriously by some when they’re actually correct. We need to better the reputation of UFO debunking by promoting a higher quality version of it. The coincidence argument needs to die. Just because you found a coincidence doesn’t mean anything unless you can demonstrate that the coincidence is actually unlikely to be present if the video/photo were genuine, and even then, it’s still just a probability argument, not a conclusive one. Most debunkers don’t bother with that. They just count on you agreeing with that premise automatically, and many do, unfortunately. [At least Mick West understands what the problem is.](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10y465z/mick_west_on_the_turkey_ufo_footage_i_think_we/) I don’t see literally anyone else admitting to it. Nobody but Mick West, so he gets props for that at least.
If you want to ignore the reused stock VFX, that’s fine.
You can point at [duplicate frames](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/1eM31Q9gcQ), lack of parallax, satellites using incorrect names, coordinates far from the last ping location, and jumping contrails, to name a few examples of why they are inauthentic.
Downtown_Ad2214 on
This is silly, the “match” doesn’t even match. Look at it closely.
TorritoBurrito on
*Creating a high budget and intricately detailed video With hyper realistic drone angles, and satellite imagery. Maybe to help derail and muddle the conversation as to what happened. Who would do such a thing? Maybe the party who is responsible for what actually happened to the plane? May be Russia? Sounds on brand.
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Recently posted on twitter by Level39: [https://twitter.com/level39/status/1728766051389964746](https://twitter.com/level39/status/1728766051389964746) shows how shockwave patterns can in fact match real world explosion patterns. This is a crucial evidence debunking the infamous ‘stock VFX footage’ by many people.
[Live look at Mick West, Corridor Crew, Julian, Danny Jones etc etc](https://giphy.com/gifs/the-simpsons-scared-homer-simpson-jUwpNzg9IcyrK)
Just a quick heads up that Pyromania was created recording real work explosion patterns, so the VFX file itself is already a recording of a real world explosion event. Anyone stating the VFX file itself is “CGI” is incorrect. Recording real world things was VCE’s thing. [It’s why they got to do Star Wars and contract directly with the DoD and DoE. It’s all on their website.](https://vcefilms.com/)
None of the provided examples that are supposedly serving as a counter argument against the VFX debunk are matching as closely as the 1990 VFX effect. Look for yourself and at the examples from the video again and tell me otherwise: https://i.redd.it/6nrooe3i89jb1.gif All the video does is explaining that similar patterns are occurring during explosions in general. Which was also considered in the initial VFX debunk. But it just matches too closely to be a coincidence. Also what about the duplicated frames debunk from last week? Have you forgotten about that already? Edit: based on the sudden downvotes it seems like the folks from the airliner abduction sub have arrived
At least the new upsurge in people believing anything that they find on the web lets me know who to block
I’m not seeing it. Can you point out the timestamp in this video that shows an explosion that matches the VFX in the same way the MH370 explosion matches the VFX?
Looks like a fairly conclusive debunk of the “90’s VFX effect” argument. Like I’ve been saying all along, I can easily buy that the videos are fake because it would be far too insane for something like that to both actually happen *and get leaked,* so I agree it’s almost certainly fake, but the “VFX effect coincidence” argument was extremely weak. Nobody demonstrated that you were unlikely to locate such a coincidence by chance, and now somebody has put in the work and demonstrated that you do indeed expect to find such a coincidence by chance anyway, so the “VFX effect” debunk is completely worthless. We need a much better debunk, not a coincidence argument.
This is the main reason why a lot of UFO debunking has such a bad reputation and they aren’t taken seriously by some when they’re actually correct. We need to better the reputation of UFO debunking by promoting a higher quality version of it. The coincidence argument needs to die. Just because you found a coincidence doesn’t mean anything unless you can demonstrate that the coincidence is actually unlikely to be present if the video/photo were genuine, and even then, it’s still just a probability argument, not a conclusive one. Most debunkers don’t bother with that. They just count on you agreeing with that premise automatically, and many do, unfortunately. [At least Mick West understands what the problem is.](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10y465z/mick_west_on_the_turkey_ufo_footage_i_think_we/) I don’t see literally anyone else admitting to it. Nobody but Mick West, so he gets props for that at least.
Obligatory [10 coincidence categories to incorrectly debunk a UFO](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zi1cgn/while_most_ufo_photos_and_videos_can_individually/).
Just a matter of time before AlphabetDebacle comments on this
Put this in the mega thread thanks
These hoax videos were thoroughly [debunked](https://youtu.be/hMu187Et1qc?si=KODIx2Pxh5Y8CN8F) months ago.
Plenty of [examples](https://imgur.io/a/DcM5OXp) where it uses 90’s stock footage.
This whole thing is a LARP, fyi.
Besides how none of the examples in this video matched nearly as close as the 90’s stock footage, three (3) frames indeed match between the FLIR and satellite videos. The three frames use the same two frames from the Pyromania asset pack. To have 3 frames match would be almost statistically impossible.
[Proof 1](https://streamable.com/aya5oc), [Proof 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/15x8emq/im_convinced_the_portal_in_the_mh370_video_is/?share_id=0P864hcuHXYi-zzJfLq79&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1), [Proof 3](https://imgur.com/a/9RaenN4), [Proof 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15vpuif/i_tried_to_match_another_frame_from_the_pyromania/), [Proof 5](https://imgur.com/a/YWwQm5x)
If you want to ignore the reused stock VFX, that’s fine.
You can point at [duplicate frames](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/1eM31Q9gcQ), lack of parallax, satellites using incorrect names, coordinates far from the last ping location, and jumping contrails, to name a few examples of why they are inauthentic.
This is silly, the “match” doesn’t even match. Look at it closely.
*Creating a high budget and intricately detailed video With hyper realistic drone angles, and satellite imagery. Maybe to help derail and muddle the conversation as to what happened. Who would do such a thing? Maybe the party who is responsible for what actually happened to the plane? May be Russia? Sounds on brand.