Safety Concerns Of UFO Maven Bob Lazar, Plus Element 115 Discussion

In the first four parts of my interview series with Bob Lazar, we discussed his new movie S4 available on Amazon Prime Video, his disputed claims of working on alien technology at Area 51, his passion for drag racing, Albert Einstein’s laws of physics, the H-Bomb father Dr. Edward Teller, religion, fear and more. In this fifth part, Lazar dissects the mysterious Element 115 and details threats he says he has received over the years. Following are edited excerpts from a longer Zoom call.

Jim Clash: Earlier you said your group at S4 worked on propulsion and power. What other groups were in the facility?

Bob Lazar: I don’t know how many. They purposely compartmentalized information. There was a metallurgy division, for example, that we couldn’t communicate with. If we wanted to discuss something, maybe how that group’s work could affect what we were doing, extensive paperwork needed to be submitted. Free discussion is critical in science. If you cut that off, it’s like cutting off your legs before a race. It was a terrible research environment, but with extremely high security.

S4 film director Luigi Vendittelli just outside of the restricted Area 51 base in Nevada.

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Editor’s Note: Bob Lazar’s claims of work on alien technology and details about the S4 complex at Area 51 are unverified and denied by the U.S. government, and remain a matter of debate among experts and skeptics.

Clash: I’m guessing there was an urgency to what you were doing.

Lazar: When I consulted with my supervisor, Dennis, he made it clear there were two directives: 1) duplicate the power and propulsion system of this alien craft at any cost, and 2) find out how to disable that power and propulsion system – at any cost.

While working in the lab, Dennis would come in like four times a day: “What’s going on, what’s going on?” Hey, it’s not like we’re pouring concrete here [laughs]. I’ve never had a job like that. In hindsight, I see why so little progress was made. The compartmentalization clearly was to keep any one group from seeing the bigger picture.

Clash: Element 115, which you say powered the craft, can currently be produced for less than a second in a particle accelerator. Yet the 115 chip you say you found in the craft is stable. Explain.

Lazar: All elements have stable and unstable isotopes. The way we try to make super-heavy elements like 115 is to take atoms and blast them together in particle accelerators. If something flies out and we can measure it as it’s disintegrating, we made a new isotope of an element.

But it’s not like we can actually assemble it, choose how many neutrons go in. Some elements have 32 or 33 isotopes. There’s a stable version of 115 that has unique properties, and probably plenty of unstable versions that are useless. We don’t know how to make 115 in a stable form yet.

Clash: I understand stable and unstable isotopes. But it may be too complicated for the average Joe.

Lazar: Okay, let’s make it simple. Take the lightest element, Hydrogen. There are three isotopes: Proteum with one proton, stable; Deuterium, heavy hydrogen with one proton and one neutron, stable. Tritium, the third isotope, one proton and two neutrons, is radioactive and therefore unstable and used in glow-in-the-dark products. But these isotopes are all Hydrogen.

Clash: Have you been threatened since leaving S4?

AREA 51, NEVADA, UNITED STATES — SEPTEMBER 12, 2023: Maxar Satellite Imagery provides a detailed view of the main installation at the highly classified Area 51 facility in the Nevada Test and Training Range. (Satellite image (c) 2023 Maxar Technologies)

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Lazar: After I went on TV with journalist George Knapp, and mentioned what I had done at S4, my supervisor called and said, “Do you have any idea what we’re going to do to you?” I said, “No,” and he hung up. That was a threat.

I don’t know if this next incident was a threat, but a car on Charleston Blvd in Las Vegas kept trying to get alongside me, like it was racing me. One guy suddenly hung out of the passenger side with a gun, and shot the back tire of my car. I went off into the dirt, and they continued on the highway. Now this may just have been gangbangers, and an amazing coincidence, but it had the same frightening effect on me.

Clash: Any other incidents?

Lazar: Sometimes people would come into my locked house when my wife and I weren’t there and move things around. But our wallets were still there. Nothing was stolen. Sometimes we’d lock our car and later all of the doors would be open. We started getting worried that something was connected to the car and would blow up at a certain speed. So we’re suddenly looking under the car for wires. I began carrying an Uzi submachine gun in the car [laughs]. I was ready to fight back.

Editor’s Note: Accounts of threats, surveillance and other incidents have not been independently corroborated by law enforcement or reporting and represent personal testimonials from his perspective.