I read this article and couldn't help but recall the claims from Steven Greer and others that there are recovered UFO crafts that we know are piloted by "mind control".
The article is pretty quick and easy to read but here's a tl;dr from it:
"TL;DR
Physicists in Copenhagen argue that quantum reality does not simply unfold forward in time. Measurement choices made now appear to retroactively shape how events in the past behaved. This is not mysticism. It is a growing implication of delayed-choice and quantum eraser experiments, now being framed more explicitly as reality “responding” to human choice."
This makes me wonder if the mind control that Greer is talking about could be related to this. Perhaps the aliens are influencing reality via observance so that their craft fly where they want them to. Maybe conscious observance has such a strong effect on reality that the aliens found a way to make it allow their crafts to break the laws of physics.
Or it could just be that they simply use their minds because it's easier. Like, why have a control interface in an physical sense when it really can just be in your head.
But still, what if the control interface is one that directly influences causality, or there just is no control interface at all. Just straight mind-to-causality influence, and they've mastered this to the point that they fly their crafts with it.
Idfk guys but either way the fact that reality is supposedly directly effected by conscious observers is absolutely wild. It's not just that observance reveals reality, observance completes it? It really illuminates the power/importance of consciousness, which is exactly what experiencers and whistleblowers have brought up over the decades.
There's so many parallels between near death experiences, alleged communication with alien entities and the things they say, psychedelics and the experiencers who have trippy epiphanies, ancient eastern religions, the list goes on; that consciousness is almost directly integrated into reality, beyond just electrochemical brain activity.I'll be happy to hear more news about consciousness through it's newfound quantum physics lens.
by imsellingbanana
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There’s a contradiction here, since it says:
* “No information is sent backward to change recorded history” (the past is fixed)
But then it says:
* “The experimenter’s choice defines which version of the past becomes physically real” (the choice determines what the past was)
To be clear on what is most factually correct:
Correlations exist between measurements made at different times, but no signal or information travels backward.
Or they have bio tech modules in their brain that allows them to interface with the craft’s ui.
I’ve seen these kinds of argument before and would just like to point towards the observer effect. I guess that many people like to just disregard it as it creates holes in science for all kinds of powers and such. I don’t believe consciousness alone has an effect on things like this and neither does science.
“Mind control” doesn’t mean much. Today computers can see your gestures and react. Tomorrow computers will sense your mind waves and react. The UFO tech is just a very old version of Uber – if you know how to invoke it, it’ll arrive with extra water bottles and pleasant prehistoric music.
That is the false reality.
The way I am reading it, this is essentially a way to describe how it would be possible for human beings to “shift into another timeline” and could explain a phenomenon like the Mandela effect?
I imagine it like meditating and astral projecting while conscious, you are controlling your presence in the craft and able to move freely regardless of where you are. You would then access your coordinate system since everything is relative.
Idk if you’ve meditated, but more practice allows you to see some cool things. One recent experience I had was basically seeing the universe collapse down into a point and invert like a black hole. That singular point was myself locked in a cycle of expanding and contracting all the matter present. I can’t describe it that well unfortunately
Consciousness is cool
Hi, no one will believe me. My mind is quite unique and not bound by time.
What “they” say is quite true. Cause and effect has been reversed. “They” cannot explain it.
I can. And I have been to a few people that listen. Most minds don’t want to give up the thing that terrorizes it. They value time. As if it brings something other than suffering. Nothing more than basic human hallucination.
My mind is KEY in this… I woke up on the space coast a week and a half ago and really have no idea what I’m doing here. I have been discussing the dissolution of space/time for over 4 and a half years on the internet. I’m small time because again… What I’m talking about undoes reality and all minds find value in using time against itself (which is actually illogical) and is actually rooted to a “universal unconscious” of guilt. The ego creates time and then it creates hallucinations, the hallucinations lead to the reality but it starts at the very core of BELIEF.
Believe me or not, it matters little. I’m HIGHLY uneducated nobody, who can’t find work, has no home and is carrying around the weight of information nobody will listen to because of what they MAKE me. They make me meek but don’t realize WHO they are speaking with, outside of time.
Alas, I will not be quiet until my path is opened. I can dissolve space/time for anyone that sits with me. I require attention because I keep ending up in weird spots on the coast. I ultimately know that nothing could EVER hurt me but it still gets lonely and there’s too many questions to ask another whose mind is also “unbound”.
I am but a humble mind. I share the mind of that which IS, it’s actually the inheritance to all of man but it’s soooooooooo scary to the ego of man.
Love you, mean it. Please find me. I have information that can heal the world. I’m also highly unemployable, hard to be around for longer than a few days (something about destroying the mirror that is presented), I’m everlasting, unending consciousness and looking for the people that need to USE my mind to remember.
I was asleep and I woke up to this. 😬😇
Explains Mandela effect. I swear Dolly had braces in that hands bond film!
How many things do you believe that you haven’t observed? I think about the phrase “seeing is believing” because in order for something to be true (or in this case reality) it needs to be observed by more than one person. Otherwise, you’re literally living in you own reality.
So, what if it’s not mind control, just that all the instruments they’re using are 4-dimensional, literally not perceivable by us. Or why if the dimensions they can exist in allow them to manipulate what we perceive as time/space as if it were us adjusting the volume or brightness of our phones?
I dunno
This has been known by physics for a while. Look up Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. The act of observing an electronic changes how it behaves. It’s extremely odd.
There’s a weird overlap nowadays where quantum physics seems to be overlapping with what the manifestation/neville Goddard community have been saying for years.
Light behaves this way. Double Split Experiment and the Wheeler’s delayed-choice experiment, often described as exhibiting apparent retrocausality.
Isn’t this just expanding upon the previous quant. mech. Idea that the future affects the past, or Retrocausality? Remember, it was being reported on in Feb/March 2025
I’m not sure if it will be possible to drive inter stellar ships with your hands and feet like a car or a plane .
The plural of “craft” is “craft”.
My question about all this, though, and I am stupid so forgive me if I’ve misunderstood all of this – Dinosaurs existed and we didn’t, so if reality responds to human choice is reverse, how did anything prior to humans exist?
I don’t get it.
They’re so close to getting it yet will avoid using the words because of its ties to esotericism: it’s the law of assumption/manifestation.
Look up Joseph Murphy’s Power of the Subconscious Mind, or Neville Goddard’s teachings about revision, which is basically assuming past events happened differently, and somehow it has an effect on how events unfold in the present moment.
The subconscious mind is programmed through conscious thoughts, meditation and hypnosis to accept beliefs and mental images that will then come to pass in the physical world. Just look up Cynthia Stafford’s story, the woman who managed to manifest a lottery win, and on top of that manifested the exact number she chose at random.
So… it works like a secret. If the secret remains hidden, there is no state change. The secret could be anything. When the secret is viewed externally, a state change occurs with the ‘viewer’ when the past events (secret) are viewed. Is this correct?!
> Maybe conscious observance has such a strong effect on reality
Or maybe consciousness (consciously directed intent) has such a strong effect on matter it can be used to operate machines.
I met a guy who claims to have worked for an agency since he was a child. He says that when he’s abducted to this agency, he has jobs to do. They usually subtly alter something in the past so that it has the desired effect in the future. He said they don’t go into physical bodies, but into consciousnesses. Hence the label he used, “consciousness jumpers,” because basically he jumps into the consciousness of specific people to do this work, both in the past and the future. Always like that… The only other thing he said about this supposed agency is that it’s called “the Council of Nine” and is located near Saturn. Now, whether all of this is real, I don’t know… I’m just commenting because it somehow relates to the text above.
All that time-traveling for NOTHING.
Would the notion that “Consciousness is the universe experiencing itself, subjectively.” tie into this?
My gut tells me so, because if some particles behave differently when observed, and “reality itself” seems to respond to “our” choices, and not even neccessarily forward-looking only, it kind of seems like all the different parts in the system that are aware of and responding (in some form) to one another, aren’t different parts at all, but rather different facets of the same singular, but universal, part.
This has been an argument in quantum mechanics for a long time, this isn’t new especially not from Copenhagen. Albeit, your tl;dr is not the fully correct and thus leads to a misinterpretation and misrepresentation of what quantum mechanics says. Putting that aside, the other issues are,
Your argument assumes,
Free will exists, and thus the brain is not deterministic. Even if it wasn’t deterministic, something is able to make choices without the ability to predict the outcome if the initial parameters are known. Quantum mechanics does work this way, but we have no real reason to believe conscience behaves this way. Aside from the potential of a single protein, there isn’t any evidence the unpredictable nature of quantum mechanics plays any significant role in the brain and how we operate as living things.
That aliens could in fact control the outcome. This is fundamentally not how quantum mechanics works. If we could predict the outcome of measurements all of quantum mechanics would fall apart. The only time you can predict an outcome is if the state remains in the same eigenstate. Then you do have certainty of the outcome. But which eigenstate you get is random. You are just able to observe other compatible observables because they share the same eigenstate. For example, momentum and position do not share an eigenspace. Therefore, they are incompatible observables. The z component of angular momentum and total angular momentum *are* compatible. You can measure both. Without changing the other. If you could determine an outcome and choose eigenstates the wave function would be meaningless. At that point you’re just playing God. Then there is no quantum anything, just classical physics
The mechanism for how information on a collapsed wave function somewhere could influence an event somewhere else would either violate causality or the aliens are somewhere very close to earth. You could know an eigenstate elsewhere via entanglement, but that information is only known by you and someone else would still need to measure the eigenstate. But the issue then is the first measurement is random so no information is transmitted.
Quantum mechanics is a subject that permeates throughout the cultural zeitgeist with a very small fraction of people actually studying it and thus understanding what it means. To make a complicated argument blunt, this sort of argument would never come from an academic institution. That alone should tell you everything you need to know. It’s not that we’re hiding things, it’s just that we don’t make arguments based on beliefs. We make arguments based on data and math
I will leave out the argument about time reversal symmetry and the profound complications that would have here. Id like to keep this less than novel length
1)A Sufficiently Advanced Model of the Local Universe is an Inevitable Development for an Advanced Civilization
2)A Sufficiently Precise Simulation of the Local Universe would by Definition Simulate Ones Cognitive States Including Ones Thoughts
3)The Sufficiently Advanced Model Running The Sufficiently Precise Simulation of The Present can be Tested for by Thought Experiment
4) Mental Assertion is Sufficient to Receive a Reflection from The Universe in the Form of a Choice
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#4 is the Direct Response I received from doing the thought experiment in #3
therefore #2 is actually true in the present
therefore #1 is actually true in the future
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“We are all here, and we all know.”
“…reality is not passively revealed by observation; it is actively completed by it….”
LoA, embodying the end-state/end goal, living in the end, and Neville Goddard can be paralleled with this.
This seems like an extrapolation of Alan wolf’s “collapse of a wave”. Where light waves/particles will behave differently simply due to observance. However extrapolating in the sense that it includes past present and future variables. Eitherway incredibly interesting.